So Will Children Go to Heaven or Hell?

Summary:

Someone recently said: 

"Scripture is clear that children and the unborn have original sin--including both the propensity to sin as well as the inherent guilt of original sin. 

But could it be that somehow Christ's atonement did pay for the guilt for these helpless ones throughout all time? 

Yes, and therefore it is a credible assumption that a child who dies at an age too young to have made a conscious, willful rejection of Jesus Christ will be taken to be with the Lord."

  •  <--- Close but Why Should this be the case? Why limit it to babies only? Why not the disenfranchised, the mentally ill?

The Answer is the Cross... not because Babies are special and not because we think Babies should be innocent.

Born in Sin = Kids go to Hell

Recently a little three year girl died because of a freak accident.  It's very sad. 

The average traditional Christian theology has no adequate way of addressing whether this girl is in heaven or not without cognitive dissonance and mental gymnastics.


The fact is, ****You are supposed to confess Christ as Lord***, as you are **supposedly** born in sin.


Well a three year old, may not have the cognitive capacity to do so. Since she was born in sin, she would not make it. She would be in hell right?


This is exactly what I was told "unless she has repented this is the state of that child and in fact of any unrepentant person". A three year old.


Then I was given this chart to indicate this is the state of a three year old.


Do you see how sick some people can be blinded by theology?


Wait... are you recoiling at that?  What did you say?  She would be in heaven?  What gave her a free pass?  Because she is a child or because she is under some mystical age of accountability (which is no where to be found in scripture)?  

Kids Get a Free Pass to Heaven?




Do you remember the picture above of a child from Syria? Why should he get a free pass to heaven? Just because he is a child (at least according to our theology)?

(Besides who would ever put up a message like what was attached to this picture.  This is what our current theology causes us to think)

Someone will reply "No body can go to heaven without accepting Jesus.  Again my reply would be "even aborted babies, 3 year olds, mentally ill? How can they "accept Jesus"?"

Current Theology Inadequate

One of the biggest problems for the current evangelical ideas concerning salvation,  is the problem of preaching to those who cannot be preached to. The unpreachable are not religious rebels who want nothing to do with God, but are instead those who cannot hear the Gospel and quite possible cannot offer any kind of faith response.

These people include 
  • aborted babies, 
  • the mentally handicapped, and 
  • people in comas. 
Quite simply, there is no answer for this. So instead, we make things up to protect our theology, but often times our reasoning is worse than the problem.

Surely Aborted Babies God to Heaven right? No Hell.. No Heaven....


For instance, on the subject of aborted babies, some people would say that they automatically go to heaven to be with the Lord, because they’re innocent.

Notice, the emphasis when people use the reasoning of innocence, is that aborted babies go to heaven because they haven’t done anything wrong, NOT because of the finished work of Christ. 

So this is a works-based salvation.  Others say, “well they never reached the age of accountability”, which is something nowhere found in the Bible, but was made up by the Jewish Sages.

Here is logic; if aborted babies make it to heaven no matter what, then it logically follows that we should be aborting as many people as possible to get as many people to heaven as possible! If being born or growing up past a certain age puts people in danger of hell fire, it only makes sense that we extinguish their lives before that happens to guarantee a spot in heaven.

The Andrea Yates Challenge

This is the exact reason why Andrea Yates killed all her children so that they don't have to live in this cruel world and go to heaven.  Hey that logically makes sense.  If I can avoid hell, why must I live past childhood.  Abortion actually is a good thing from an eternal perspective.

"Andrea Yates, the woman who drowned her 5 children in a bathtub, was probably more logically consistent with her fundamentalist theology than most Christians. Although she pleaded Innocent by reason of insanity, her reason for doing what she did was that she actually believed that if she killed her children before they reach the mythical "age of accountability" they would go straight to heaven and not have a chance of joining the majority of the human race burning in hell forever." - Lee O'Hare

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It is Better to Not be Born Then

Someone said "[This is] good news-- Your great, great, great grand children (and their progeny as well) will be born and can accept Christ as Savior." <-- Maybe I'm wrong, but it does not logically sound like good news to me.


It is Better to Be Aborted Then


If it seems that there is a 90% chance my grandkids are born and end up eternally in hell, or annihilated immediately, then logic states that it is better not to be born. It would be logical to abort babies because they don't have to accept Christ as their Savior and they are automatically in heaven. Andrea Yates had it right then to drown her kids before they lose their automatic ticket to heaven and can go to hell.


I even heard someone say that they would go to hell and then when resurrected, the gospel would be shared so that a choice given before they are annihilated.  I am not making this up.


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Logic Analysis 1

Let's summarize the Logical premises so far:

  1. Premise 1: All Babies go to heaven when they die
  2. Premise 2: when Abortion occurs a Baby is murdered
  3. Conclusion: Therefore upon abortion baby goes immediately to heaven
OR

  1. Premise 1: All men are sinners. If you don't confess before you die, you go to hell
  2. Premise 2: Babies are human and are sinners. Upon abortion they die before confessing.
  3. Conclusion: Babies go to hell when aborted.


What do you think so far?
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Is the Answer the Age of Accountability?


Short answer: NO.

"The age of accountability", now there's a novel idea. We couldn't stand the thought of little kids being eternally tormented, even though we already confessed them to be "totally depraved". Sure, grandpa Herbert deserves eternal torture, cause he's an adult, but little Jimmy? Nah he's only 10. The old faithful "God’s ways are higher than our ways" cliche didn't work with this one, so we invented an age when a person starts to deserve eternal damnation. "Happy 13th birthday Jimmy! You are now eligible to burn in hell forever!" - Jacob M. Wright

"One of the dumbest doctrines ever created was the age of accountability.
It isn't found in the Bible except a mention where it says some didn't know their left hand from their right.
It creates more than one salvation plan for people... children who go to heaven simply because they are born but don't know Jesus, and those who must hear the gospel and believe it in order to go to heaven." Chuck Crisco

From Do babies and others incapable of professing faith in Christ automatically go to heaven? , "Second Samuel 12:23 is one of the passages often quoted to imply that babies go to heaven. Though the verse doesn't explicitly say that, David clearly does expect to one day be reunited with his departed child”

WRONG.


What does 1 Sam 12:23 say?

"But now he is dead; why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.” [1 Sam 12:23]


<--- Where did David go? He went to Sheol, not heaven.


"Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day." 34 “For David did not ascend into the heavens" [Acts 2]


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Remember Yemen?

So a friend on facebook was making the point that there are many children with malnutrition in Yemen and prayer does not seem to be work.

The ensuing response given by a believer was one of the most horrible things I had. She said since all children automatically go to heaven, God is sparing them from eternal death by not allowing them to have food.

I had to do a double take. I have never heard such foolishness in my life.

Again I asked: So what is the difference between God and Andrea Yates who killed her children so that they can go to heaven and be spared eternal death? geez

This is what happens when people believe foolishness.



Logic Analysis 2 - More False Premises

  1. All children automatically go to heaven
  2. When does a child stop being a child so that he/ she does not automatically go to heaven?
  3. Is there a mystical age of accountability? is it 9, 10, 12, 13?
  4. So according to your logic, if they are under some mystical age of accountability, God is easing their suffering and taking them home right?
  5. However as soon as they passed this mystical age, is God still easing their suffering? Is he bringing them relief? Or do they die now and go to hell for passing the threshold age?
  6. If God does not stop the suffering as soon as they cross this mystical age past innocence where their ticket to heaven is voided, then He is worse that the false Yemen gods."

So there is NO magical age of accountability where up top that age kids automatically go to heaven because they are innocent.

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The Answer is Always THE CROSS

Well what is the answer? The Cross.


"When I am lifted up, I will draw all men unto me"... "The Love of Christ compels me to conclude, that when Christ died, all men died" [All Men, including all babies.]


Christ is the Righteous Judge

Perhaps, some of these questions on how will Christ deal with the billions of people who lived, especially those incapable of free will choice can only be answered, once we look at what He said. Perhaps we can then agree on how powerful the cross is.


Here is what Christ told us and how He was the Righteous Judge...


  1. Principle 1: Christ Knows Who Would Have Repented if Circumstances Were Different
  2. Principle 2: Christ Knows Which Humans Before Christ Lived As If The Law was In Their Hearts
  3. Principle 3: All Judgment apart from the Cross is Based on Works Only....But as we all know, works do not save us...

Let's apply those principles.

Christ’s Righteous Judgment at Work


The cross makes all this righteous judgment possible, because when He died all men died in Him and His death dealt with the sin separation problem.


Now He can judged on the basis of:


  • Would they have repented if they were given an opportunity?
  • Are they physically able to exercise free choice?
  • In their ignorance, did they follow their conscience?
  • If capable and given a choice, did they refuse to believe?


This demonstrates how powerful the cross is and how righteous God's judgment is. This is why we are to judge or look at no man according to the flesh.


The cross was the Supreme Divine Court Judgment on this world. This judgment is not based on works, like all other judgments found in scripture pre and post the Cross. It was based on His Work.


It all has to do with what Christ did on calvary. There is a grace that takes care of those who die young, are aborted, never heard about Jesus, are mentally disabled and so forth. His Grace not only takes care of those who die young, but affects all men.


When Christ died on the cross, all men died in Him [2 Cor 5:15]

That was Paul's crazy statement that he concluded because of the love of Christ.


These children of Yemen died when He died. We all do. But all do not yet live.  But in Christ, each will live in their own order...


Humans, including babies, who have done nothing to be made accountable of, go straight to Him, when they die, because

  1. Christ's death, is their death,
  2. Christ died as them, and
  3. Christ reversed the effects of sin and death, and
  4. Christ's death removed the barrier sin and death that to prevent men from receiving permanent life without decay


Humans, who have done stuff to be made accountable of, if they have not reckoned Christs death to be their death, and have not lived for Him, are made accountable, may suffer ruin, loss, be put to shame, but the goal is for their full restoration, a process that was started by the Cross. But their lives will be interrupted for an age. It is still a matter of living only by faith. How? Every knee will worship and every tongue will swear, what He swore on the throne, by Himself, that truthfully "In the Lord I have righteousness and strength". which God defined as salvation.


Humans, who have done stuff to be made accountable of, if they have reckoned Christs death to be their death, and made Christ their Life, live for Him, are also made accountable, but though their works are tested by fire, will not may suffer ruin, loss, be out to shame, but the goal is for their full restoration, a process that was started by the Cross.


That's why aborted babies etc, go to "heaven" because of the cross.  [To be honest going to heaven isn't even the goal, but that is for another blog]


Here is the truth: Everyone who comes out of Him, goes through Him and will go back to Him as Paul stated [Rom 11:36].


Divine Logic

  1. Everyone comes out of Him <-- Does ANYONE DARE DISPUTE THIS? (Well those who are still believers that is)
  2. Everyone goes through Him [And the Cross is the fulcrum point]
  3. Everyone goes back to Him [No matter how long it takes]

It is the going through Him that can be painful at times.


Many times, going through Him involves lots of suffering, people, being put to shame, accountability, loss if life, ruin, apollumi.  But because of the Cross, the process has started where by faith all things in heaven and in earth will be summed up in Christ, just as Paul said.  And yes, even though all died in Him, you live by faith and believing in Him.



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The above is a very sad and repulsive report, about a mother who let men sexually abuse her 10 year old daughter to death. Let's say for arguments sake she does not know Jesus. She never confessed Him. She had no idea of the gospel.


Traditional Christianity will say that since this 10 year old did not confess Jesus she will be in hell or as others may say, be annihilated.


Others would say well, she hasn't reached the age of accountability (whatever that may be, it is certainly not biblical), so she gets to to go to heaven.


Well why is she given a free pass? Because she is ten? Did she choose this?


Again those two positions are not the answer.


The cross is the answer. This 10 year old already had her death in Christ. Christ died for her and she died in Him, whether she knew it or not.


On the basis of that and Christ's righteous judgment, there should NOT be "fire" for her to be disciplined, perish (apollumi which means lost or ruined).


It's the cross that makes the argument that she be given life, NOT the law, or religion or man's traditions or biblical arguments.




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